WIBTA if I excluded another woman from our informal women’s group?

How do you handle it when a casual group meant for shared interests turns into one person’s endless venting session? A woman in her 30s described her frustration with an informal women’s circle focused on careers, politics, and feminism that got derailed by a newcomer who dominated with personal complaints.

The group started strong with balanced debates on ambition and life balance. Things shifted when “Mandy” joined and repeatedly shared about her struggles, ignoring advice and making others feel drained. The situation led to quiet exclusion, sparking debate on boundaries and group fit.

‘WIBTA if I excluded another woman from our informal women’s group?’

The story opens with the group’s original purpose and how Mandy changed the dynamic.

I need some perspective on this. I'm 30s (F) along with a group of 6 women started meeting about 2 times a month to talk about our careers, politics, and...

While we began to discuss our careers, we've also become friends who debate whether or not we could 'have it all' and how to balance ambition and family.

A while back, our friend brought an acquaintance "Mandy" to join and if I'm honest - I became very annoyed by her.

Mandy works at a dysfunctional job, supports her deadbeat boyfriend who treats her like a piggy bank, and seems to always be taken advantage of by her family, coworkers, and...

Despite our constant encouragement, coaching, and job recommendations Mandy can't seem to set boundaries and advocate for herself or take our suggestion of therapy seriously.

When one of us moderates the discussion to move on, Mandy will get teary eyed, baby voiced, and apologize for 'being a burden'.. It became a herculean effort for me...

The poster then explains her decision to leave and what happened next.

A month ago, I sent out a group e-mail saying I can't make the group anymore due to time constraints and that I wish everyone the best. I am the...

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One friend "Kate" reached out and in private I told her that it got to a point where I dread going and having to hear Mandy talk about how depressed...

Kate listened to me and confided that she also felt like she lacked compassion and was a 'bad feminist' for not being able to hold space for Mandy.

We made plans to hang out and when we did Kate showed up with everyone from the women's group except for Mandy. We've been meeting again, and to my understanding...

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Yesterday, I received a group e-mail from "Mandy" talking about how upset she was that the group disbanded and how she felt like she lost her only support system.. Am...

An edit clarifies the group’s focus and adds resources.

Edit: Not sure where the idea that we're an emotional support group stems from, but we're not a women's emotional support group. Our meetings are generally geared around navigating our...

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None of us are licensed therapists.. A link to intersectional feminist literature and a guide on mega backdoor ROTH IRA for those of you interested.

The main issue centers on mismatched expectations in a social group. The meetings aimed at professional and intellectual discussions, but Mandy treated them as personal therapy, dominating time with unresolved complaints. This created resentment as members felt unable to redirect without guilt. The exclusion arose from avoided direct confrontation, highlighting fears of conflict.

Both sides face emotional challenges. The original members value focused exchanges and felt drained by constant negativity. Mandy appears stuck in patterns of helplessness, possibly using tears to regain attention. Communication suffered from indirect approaches, like lying instead of addressing the fit openly.

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Psychiatrist Judith Orloff has described how “emotional vampires do more than drain your physical energy—the most malignant ones can make you believe you’re unworthy and unlovable.” (Emotional Freedom, 2011) This fits the victim type who overwhelms with woe. Protecting energy in groups requires recognizing when support turns one-sided.

To resolve similar issues, start by clarifying group purpose early with new members. Practice redirecting kindly during meetings. If needed, suggest professional help privately. Schedule check-ins on group health. Prioritize honesty over avoidance to maintain trust.

Here’s what Redditors had to say:

Social media users largely backed the original poster. They stressed the group’s specific focus and viewed Mandy’s behavior as mismatched and draining. Responses highlighted protecting personal time from unintended therapy roles.

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Many commenters firmly supported excluding Mandy. They argued the group wasn’t for endless personal venting and praised restoring the original vibe.

shecalledpestcontrol − Honestly I’d say NTA. Mandy clearly couldn’t handle the nature of the group.

She was treating it as a therapy session by the sounds of things, and the fact that it was her “only suppprt system” shows she clearly got comfortable in complaining...

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Mandy was unable to mold to the group and so you took the initiative to move away and everyone followed. You’re right.

TrueJackassWhisperer − NTA " a group of 6 women started meeting about 2 times a month to talk about our careers, politics, and feminism. " This isn't a therapy session...

civilcivet − NTA, and I’d like to see another marginalised group who are expected to spend their precious time listening to one member of that group whine about things that...

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S__tty jobs and leeching partners aren’t inherently a feminist issue just because they’re the problems a woman is having.

But, women are expected to be everyone’s mommy and for some reason reddit can relate more to the person who complains relentlessly about b__lshit than the victims of these energy...

Edit: aw man, now I look like one of those people who comes in hot acting like they have an unpopular opinion. I swear when I posted this it was...

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Ipso-Pacto-Facto − I left a female only book club after 17 years because one woman made it her personal therapy session. She tied her personal life into every. single. book....

luminous_sludge − NTA. When one of us moderates the discussion to move on, Mandy will get teary eyed, baby voiced, and apologize for 'being a burden'. This is emotional manipulation.

Mandy won't do jack s__t to better her situation, but she'll sure as hell use it to get pity. You're not an AH for not wanting to be manipulated in...

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Not for having issues, or even for having trouble leading these situations, but for treating a friend group like a support group that's solely there for her.

notkeepinguponthis − NTA. You guys gave her a chance, seems like she was a bad fit and kind of a desperate hanger on. We’ve all met people like this.

Her being a woman doesn’t make her an automatic fit into a group of people who happen to also be women. The one who was her original acquaintance is also...

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Others agreed it was NTA while offering practical insights. They shared experiences and suggested caution with future additions.

Funny-Signature6436 − NTA I think the balance has been restored here. I'm not sure if this was the best way, but it was an attempt at bringing balance and an...

I wouldn't sweat over it. "Mandy" is going to "Mandy" wherever she goes, and lack of responses from each of you will encourage her to move on. I would be...

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I know I've been an absolute sucker for the "Mandy" types before and have been burned and all but lit on fire for a few cases.

Each one of you in your women's group could have your vulnerable moment and bring another Mandy-bomb in to blow up the group, so perhaps have some sort of pre-arrangement...

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I'm never really sure how to navigate these things either. If I'm direct, the Mandy-types lose their marbles. If I'm subtle, Mandy-types lose their marbles.

The only way you don't get backlash from the Mandys of the world is to serve them the way that they want to be served, which just isn't going to...

So, picking your path to separate yourself from Mandy with as little Mandy drama as possible should be the desired path. If there is a secret decoder ring to this...

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ReleaseRecent1705 − NTA I'm so unbelievably confused by all the people claiming op is a bad feminist or abandoned the support group. There is no support group. There is no...

It's a group of like minded individuals getting together regularly to discuss their lives and careers. And sometimes, shock, the fact that they're women and their lives as women.

Mandy refuses to be helped or help herself. She's emotional draining. Even her own friend, the one that invited her, doesn't want her there anymore. You can't keep helping someone...

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Yeah it sucks you couldn't tell her she's exhausting to her face but. . idk I've done the exact same thing. Reddit saw the word feminism and went into a...

erie85 − NTA. I identify more with Mandy than with OP. Realising that I was just a walking ball of negativity to the point that my relationships were being affected...

It's a burden to be the recipient of negativity and it is only healthy to disassociate from a situation you can't help and is weighing you down.

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Clear_Imagination657 − NtA because it seems that she needs a different type of group. .you all are there to equally share and I myself wouldnt like being part of a...

and dump all their issues all the time and tries to make everyone feel guilty for moving the conversation away from the one person's constant complaining. ..she needs more eof...

viceregalgal − NTA. Your group never set out to be a "support group. " You were a group of women meeting to discuss topics of interest to all of you....

She needs a therapist, not a discussion group. Do not feel guilty about disbanding the group in the way you did, it was probably the kindest way to do it.

A couple provided nuanced or balanced takes. They acknowledged the difficulty while leaning toward no fault.

dscarlett − If I had to give a judgement, it'd be NTA, but really, you could have done better, simply because you seem to hold expectations for Mandy that you...

Despite our constant encouragement, coaching, and job recommendations Mandy can't seem to set boundaries and advocate for herself Ok,

so if setting boundaries is such an easy solution, why weren't you able to set a boundary by telling Mandy that your sessions are not free therapy-without-having-to-admit-she-needs-therapy, and that her...

Why did you instead all need to lie to her, and almost let this group, which you presumably all value immensely, disband just to be able to get out of...

but more to highlight that the simple solutions that you were offering Mandy are actually very, very hard to implement.

She's not able to leave her deadbeat boyfriend or to stop others taking advantage of her for the same reason that you weren't able to tell Mandy that she's an...

Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy solution to this problem (other than maintaining the lie about the group disbanding),

but I think the best route would be to tell Mandy that the purpose of the group was not to be her support system, that you're not willing to let...

and that the sole form of support that you will be willing to provide her is working though any external barriers (i. e. financial, as opposed to internal barriers like...

(And it sounds like a Schema therapist would be helpful to her. Everything about her just screams subjugation lifetrap. )

HeraAgathon_33 − This one is actually tough…. On one hand, it’s definitely an awful thing to do to someone on paper.

On the other hand—I, too, have friends that simply drain me emotionally and it takes active work that almost feels physical to hold enough space for them, and I don’t...

I am going to say NAH. People are/can be emotionally draining and it really should not be anyone’s responsibility to carry someone else’s burden when it genuinely feels like an...

When my emotional boundaries are crossed it gets to a point where it feels like a violation, and sometimes you just have to protect your own energy.

She also is really hurting and is clearly not reached the point in her journey where she is ready to face the fact that she is strong enough to make...

That is a hard place to be in—I’ve been there. It took time. She likely already knows everything you guys have tried to tell her, but making choices like that...

If you just don’t want to be her friend anymore, it is what it is and I don’t think you’re an AH for it. If you do feel badly and...

Tell her that you DO care about her and want to support her, but you are struggling emotionally with the fact that it does drain you sometimes. A real friend...

The remaining comments kept it concise with analogies or references.

[Reddit User] − NTA - Imagine if all 6 of you met up regularly for some quiet yoga. Then Mandy is invited one day. She owns Lycra and a floor...

She has a go at the yoga, but talks the whole time… Then tries to encourage some aerobics component. Brings her boom box and starts blasting Beastie Boys, Body Movin’,...

It’s a great song, but it’s not the time, place or group for it. Mandy has misunderstood. She could still have friendships with one or more of you, if you...

polentabeans − NTA, look up Captain Awkward's Geek Social Fallacies.

This situation underscores the importance of aligning on group purpose from the start. Casual meetups can evolve, but when one person shifts the tone dramatically without adjustment, resentment builds. Protecting shared enjoyment often means tough choices, like exclusion, to preserve the original spirit.

Have you ever had to exclude someone from a friend circle to keep it healthy? How direct should groups be about boundaries when adding new members?

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