AITAH for not wanting to marry my gf until she shows she can take care of herself?

Marriage talks can feel exciting, but they can also expose deep cracks a couple didn’t realize were there. In this case, a 25-year-old man found himself questioning whether love alone was enough when his girlfriend pushed for an engagement soon after moving in together. What started as a conversation about timelines slowly turned into a much bigger discussion about responsibility, independence, and long-term compatibility.

As he shared his concerns on social media, readers quickly picked sides. Some felt his expectations were reasonable given his future plans, while others argued he was trying to reshape his partner into someone she simply wasn’t. Beyond the surface-level debate, the twist lies in a familiar question many couples face: is it fair to delay commitment in hopes your partner will change, or does that mean the relationship was never right to begin with?

AITAH for not wanting to marry my gf until she shows she can take care of herself?

The relationship began normally, but big questions surfaced once living arrangements and marriage entered the picture.

My gf and I (both 25) met 1.5 years ago. A month ago she moved in with me (3 hours away since I moved for a job after college) She...

After she moved in we talked about it and I said that I'd like to see her have her own e-fund, as she currently has ~$100 in her savings. And...

and I'll say "hey, I got this, why don't you take the money you were going to spend anyways on this meal and put it in your savings account". I'd...

He explained why this mattered so much to him, especially with long-term plans already discussed.

I think this is a fair stipulation for getting engaged. I need to see proof that she is capable of being financially responsible before we combine finances,

as I am very deliberate with my finances, and we've both talked about her being a SAHM, so it would be even more important to be financially on top of...

Past experiences reinforced his worries, particularly moments where he had to step in financially.

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In the 1.5 years I've known her, I've seen her in many "oh s__t" situations where she can't afford all of her necessities and gets behind on things.

Tbf, she doesn't have debt besides a car, but she lives paycheck to paycheck, and when she was in the process of moving in with me, I had to give...

She has since quit her job that she started on Halloween (was there for a total of 6 days) because of how s__tty it was. I told her it's okay...

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but I also wish she was in a spot where she could say "f__k that" to a s__tty job while ALSO being in a good financial spot. Instead I'm still...

Health soon became another point of tension, tied to his vision of an ideal life partner.

Another area is physical health. I told her early on that a very important quality in my ideal life partner is an exercise habit (and just healthy living in general)....

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On a few occasions she has opened up about how she feels about her body (she's always been heavy and according to a BMI chart, she's extremely obese), so I...

It's even gone from me inviting her to go to my gym to lift, to me saying "hey, let's go do 15 minutes of walking on a treadmill at the...

She also doesn't seem to eat great. She also, for example, has been to the dentist one time in the last 7 years. I'm being pedantic but I'm trying to...

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Despite encouragement, he felt little progress was being made, and discussions often ended poorly.

At this point in our relationship, this is something I want to help her achieve because I know we both want to build a family together, but when I bring...

From an outside perspective, the conflict isn’t really about savings accounts or gym visits. It centers on compatibility and expectations. The poster values structure, long-term planning, and discipline, while his girlfriend appears to prioritize emotional well-being and flexibility. Neither approach is inherently wrong, but tension grows when one partner expects significant change before moving forward.

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There’s also the question of timing. The girlfriend relocated and disrupted her income to live with him, which can reasonably affect savings and stability. Expecting rapid progress during a transitional period may unintentionally add pressure rather than motivation. At the same time, financial alignment is a valid concern before marriage, especially when discussing a single-income household.

Dr. John Gottman of The Gottman Institute has noted, “Problems in relationships don’t get solved, they get managed.” This idea suggests that core differences, like money habits or health priorities, rarely disappear. Couples succeed when they acknowledge these gaps honestly and decide whether they can live with them long term.

Practically speaking, joint counseling could help clarify whether these expectations are shared goals or personal preferences. A financial counselor might help them create realistic benchmarks, while a therapist could improve how concerns are communicated. If both partners feel heard and supported, growth becomes possible. If not, delaying marriage may simply be postponing an inevitable realization about incompatibility.

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Check out how the community responded:

Many users supported the poster, agreeing that long-term planning should come before engagement.

SJoyD − Eh. ... you say you value fitness and financial stability, hut you're dating someone who has neither of those things.

You should break up with her and find someone who fits with your values instead of stay8ng with her and resenting that she isn't those things you want.

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SnooTomatoes2805 − NTA. It sounds like you love her but there are major things you don’t like. People only change if they want to and financial outlook and health are...

They could cause lots of issues down the line if you don’t align. I would give it some more time as you haven’t been together long and wait it out....

Accomplished_Cold911 − You wrote “ this is something I want to help her achieve” If she isn’t willing to do this herself then cut your losses and move on.

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You can’t force her to do anything and if she’s not willing I think you are setting yourself up for failure. GL Edit: NTA

CarpeCyprinidae − NTA, it's perfectly reasonable to explain what you want in a spouse and give people the opportunity to decide if they want to make the changes or to...

[Reddit User] − NTA do not marry her. Are you sure you really want to have to financially support another adult the rest of your life?

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She doesn’t want to work. She wants you to take care of her and do whatever she wants. Do you want an actual partner that will support you?

Or do you want to be miserable and probably end up being screwed over in alimony and child support. I feel like it’s really not worth it to get married...

Others took a more critical or balanced view, questioning his role in the situation.

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thirdtryisthecharm − I'm a bit unclear on some things. Why are you dating her in the first place if you want someone into fitness and health?

You're suggesting she can't take care of herself financially, but she's been a legal adult for 7 years, and only just moved in with you. She doesn't have debt other...

That doesn't sound like someone who can't manage her life. That sounds like someone with limited income who is making the best of it.

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Does she actually having the income to accumulate savings at the moment? She moved 3 hrs to live with you. That means she uprooted her life and it's not surprising...

or have some trouble finding good work in a new place. Did she have savings before? Did she have better work before?

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She also, for example, has been to the dentist one time in the last 7 years. Has she had dental coverage? If not, how are you proposing she should afford...

leafpickleson − Op, pump the brakes. I say that as a married woman with issues managing my personal health and finances. She isn't who you want to marry.

Your words. Who she is right now is not who you want to be married to. Those words need to leave your mouth and reach her ears. Spending, earning, and...

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There's a reason she's bad with money, and it would be a good idea to go to a financial counselor together and have the hard conversations. It's okay to help...

She needs to get her health in order. I would put this out there. .. go see your insurance agent. See if she is insurable for life insurance. It's a...

Life insurance that you own (not through work) is at its least expensive when you are young, and it creates instant estate to care for your family if you pass.

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SAHM have immense value, as they are your children's and your household's caretaker. If she dies, all that falls on you, and childcare and house cleaning are EXPENSIVE. Let me...

You marry and become legally tied to any debt she has and obtains while married, get limited opportunites by her credit and debt to income ratio and decisions, and any...

I wouldn't give her an ultimatum, but I would say that you both need to see a marriage and financial counselor and work together to meet your pre marriage goals.

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I would also let her know that at her current weight she is an an increased risk for scary high blood pressure and gestational diabetes if pregnant. Trust me on...

She needs to be at a healthy place before you try to get pregnant because you won't risk her or the baby by purposefully getting pregnant when her body isn't...

If she isn't willing to do these things then the two of you aren't compatible for marriage. Doesn't mean you have to break up, just don't get married or have...

[Reddit User] − NTA for knowing what you want in a life partner, but YTA for trying to make someone into that person instead of just finding the right person.

Being on the same page financially is important before you get married. It’s also important to be in the same page about the future lifestyle you want to share together.

Making sure you and your girlfriend are truly compatible in those areas is the right thing to do before proposing.

However, I do not understand why you’re trying to change someone into what you want instead of just finding the right person for you. Regardless of how compatible you are...

These two things are so important to you that you’re not able to progress your future with this woman because of them. You’re holding both of you back from your...

MikrokosmicUnicorn − let me get this straight you started dating an obese woman who can't save money, let her move in and are now telling her you will only marry...

Em-Teshian − Have you tried reading back what you wrote? 1. You are "very deliberate with \[your\] finances" & fiscal responsibility is important to you in a partner;

2. You affirm that "a very important quality in my ideal life partner is an excercise habit (and just healthy living in general); but then. ..

3. You invited an "extremely obese" deliberately unemployed chronic debtor to move in with you. And you plan to marry her? . .. What's up here?

Do you ACTUALLY expect this woman to change her lifelong habits after you've already welcomed her into your house?

And just how brief or long of a performance of not-spending-beyond-her-means would convince you that she'll spend the rest of your lives being a responsible SAHM helping manage shared finances?

INFO: why are you dating this woman in the first place? Why did you decide to escalate to the pseudo-married state of cohousing?

Why are you actually considering marrying this woman now? I'm not even trying to judge her here, in her own right. But according to YOUR self-declared standard, she doesn't match...

A few reactions leaned lighter, using humor or blunt honesty to cut the tension.

Quelala − NTA, but it seems like she might not be the match for you. I can kind of see the economic stability thing because maybe that is temporary due...

and marriage is coming together and both of you throwing everything into one pot. But the bigger red flag is that your lifestyle expectations do not seem to be inline...

People sometimes change but it is rare. If she doesn’t like exercise and is fat chances are she will never like exercise and continue to be fat. If that’s a...

ThisReport877 − Y'all are incompatible. Moving in together was a mistake. There is no future to this relationship, and your both kidding yourselves acting like there is.

Low-Combination-8363 − It’s a bad idea to try to reshape someone into what you want them to be. It rarely works. And it’s not fair to either of you.

At some point it’s either accept them as they are or move on. She lacks impulse control. She is unable to delay gratification. It’s how her brain is wired.

Yes if she was super motivated she could probably improve a bit. But frankly she isn’t. And it’s not reasonable to expect her to change for you.

Nor is dangling the promise of an engagement if she changes enough healthy. If you get married you are going to end up managing the finances

and giving her an “allowance” for monthly expenses because it’s the only way to maintain your financial goals. Decide if you can live with that.

[Reddit User] − YTA For getting into a relationship with someone you don't consider an ideal partner and dangling engagement like a carrot to try and convince her to fit...

If you wouldn't marry her as the person she is now, you shouldn't marry her at all. Stop wasting her time and trying to get her to jump through hoops...

Prestigious-Two-2089 − She isn't a good match. You like her as a person but she is not going where you want to go. She may not be a bad person...

and she will forever be a drain on you you will always be picking up her slack. Send her home to her parents and tell them to do better the...

This situation highlights how quickly love can collide with reality once marriage enters the conversation. While the poster’s concerns about finances and health are understandable, many readers felt the deeper issue was a mismatch in values rather than a lack of effort. Expecting a partner to change before proposing raises tough questions about acceptance and long-term happiness. At the same time, ignoring major differences can lead to resentment later. What do you think matters more before marriage: potential for growth, or accepting someone exactly as they are right now?

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