AITAH for not extending sympathy toward my SIL’s for having miscarriages?

A woman feels increasingly detached from her sister-in-law’s repeated miscarriages and “rainbow baby” narrative. Her SIL, Carol, and brother-in-law Seth are determined to have five children before age 30, already raising three in a cramped two-bedroom trailer on family property. Carol struggles with unmanaged borderline personality disorder, severe alcoholism during non-pregnant periods, and a history of self-harm.

Despite knowing alcohol harms fertility and early pregnancy, Carol drank heavily (1–2 bottles of wine nightly) while actively trying to conceive—then grieved deeply when miscarriages occurred. The woman refuses to offer sympathy, walking away from conversations about “angels in heaven” or the new baby, believing the losses were largely self-inflicted. Her husband and MIL call her rude; she stands firm, refusing to “humor” what she sees as preventable tragedy.

‘AITAH for not extending sympathy toward my SIL’s for having miscarriages?’

The couple’s goal clashes with their reality and Carol’s untreated issues.

My husband's brother, Seth (27), and his wife, Carol(28) have decided that they want to have five children, and that they'd like to have all of them before turning 30.

They currently have 3. I'm not certain where they plan to put all of these additional children, as Seth and Carol currently live in a two-bedroom trailer on my husband's...

They have both admitted that they have no means or plans of acquiring a bigger place any time soon, but that's the least of their worries..

Carol has borderline personality disorder, and it is *not* well-managed. Less than a month prior to Carol getting pregnant with her youngest child (M,1 month),

Carol had to have our MIL rush over to their trailer to watch her two girls (3,5) in the middle of the night, because Carol had been in the bathroom...

Heavy alcohol use continued despite pregnancy attempts and prior losses.

Carol also has a pretty severe drinking problem. Carol would get thrashed and then repeatedly call me and my husband at all hours of the night,

expecting us to act as free therapy at 3 in the morning because she was upset over situations that were by and large her own fault. It took several, very...

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Well, as I've mentioned, Carol got pregnant and now has a 1 month old infant who she wont stop referring to as her "rainbow baby" because she had 2 miscarriages...

Carol was drinking heavily on a daily basis prior to conceiving this baby and I assume that's the reason that she miscarried the other two.

It has never made sense to me how someone who is actively trying to get pregnant would engage in a behavior that is so clearly detrimental to a pregnancy, and...

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She walks away from sympathy-seeking conversations.

Honestly, who says, "we're trying to have a baby!" has s__ to have a baby, but also continues to down two bottles of wine per night *every night*? What did...

(yes, I know for a fact that is the amount she was drinking.) Another thing - in one of the late night, unsolicited phone calls from Carol from a few...

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Seth, who wanted to have all of these kids- that she was tired of never having her body to herself - that she hated her body - that she felt...

of her life- that she had no identity outside of being a mother - that she didn't even feel like a person. Part of me feels bad for Carol, because...

quiver-full nonsense when she was too young to know better, and now feels like she has to commit to the bit - but another part of me is absolutely appalled...

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and actively making the situation worse by not addressing her BPD and a__oholism, and by continuing to bring children into the situation.

So whenever she gets watery eyes and starts waxing poetic about her "angels in heaven" and her "rainbow baby" I get up and walk away. I literally refuse to engage...

Carol's mother, my MIL, and my husband have all mentioned to me that it's rude and kind of weird. My husband knows why I do it.

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I've told him everything, but he thinks that I should just humor her by smiling and nodding like everyone else.. I refuse.

The situation has been allowed to get as bad as it is because everyone has been too nice to be honest, and I will not contribute. AITAH?. ​

Edit:** attempts to help this woman have been made by multiple family members and it has always backfired or been used to manipulate us. I recommended an excellent therapist.

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She saw him for a year before he had to refer her to a different therapist and drop her. "Why?" you ask - because she acquired the therapist's home phone...

She then tried to blame the calls on me saying I must have gotten access to MIL's home phone and made the calls. (She is on our MIL's phone plan,...

MIL and my husband's sisters have offered to watch her kids for her while she attends therapy. They were literally taking time off of work and school to do so.

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She started lying about having appointments and instead would just go shopping or out to lunch. She got caught doing this by her own mother.

My husband told her she could call us if she needed someone to talk to, but the only time she would call was in the middle of the night. When...

When we angrily asked her to call at a reasonable hour, she stopped calling. We're willing to be woken up at 3 am for an emergency, but being drunk and...

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So please stop calling the family AH for not helping her. Lord knows we've tried. Also, she does not drink when she knows she's pregnant (her husband cares wayyy too...

She drinks while actively trying to conceive and then loses the babies. I know a person can miscarry for a ton of reasons, but consuming alcohol nightly while intentionally trying...

It's like she'll take a test to see when she's ovulating, have intercourse during that time, but won't slow down on the drinking at all.

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By the time she realizes she's pregnant, the fetus has already been exposed to alcohol on a daily basis leading up to the positive test.

Once she tests positive, she'll stop drinking, but that tiny fetus has already been exposed to massive amounts of alcohol during it's very initial stage of development - which is...

Final Edit:** Thank you to all of you who have offered such excellent advice. I feel better prepared to deal with this situation moving forward.

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To those of you who insist on arguing with me about whether or not it's a good idea to drink 1-2 bottles of wine per night while trying to conceive,

I'm really going to need you to do a bit more reading on the subject. [Women who drank just four (or more) drinks per week are *much more* likely to...

If 4 drinks *per week* makes a woman *much more likely* to miscarry, then go ahead and do the math on what effect more than quadruple that is going to...

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That's not the kind of behavior that someone who wants to get pregnant but knows that they have a history of miscarrying is going to engage in if they honestly...

Carol’s unmanaged BPD, alcoholism during conception attempts, and history of self-harm create a high-risk environment for both her and any children. Heavy nightly drinking (far exceeding even moderate levels linked to miscarriage risk) while tracking ovulation and actively trying to conceive shows a disconnect between stated desire and action. The woman’s refusal to participate in grief rituals stems from frustration with preventable loss and exhaustion from past boundary violations (late-night calls, manipulation attempts).

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Walking away protects her own emotional energy rather than enabling denial. Opposing views might argue that miscarriage pain deserves compassion regardless of cause, and her detachment appears cold or judgmental. However, when family members have repeatedly offered help—therapy referrals, childcare for appointments, reasonable call times—only to face lies, blame-shifting, or misuse, empathy erodes.

The woman isn’t obligated to perform sympathy for choices she sees as reckless. Broader perspective: untreated mental health and substance issues rarely resolve through “nice” enabling. Honest boundaries, even blunt ones, can sometimes be the kindest long-term act—though they rarely feel warm in the moment. The children’s welfare should remain the priority concern.

Here’s the comments of Reddit users:

Most readers strongly support the woman’s stance, viewing her refusal to offer sympathy as understandable given the context.

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ThatWhichLurks782 − NTA Carol needs A LOT of counseling. Individual and couples, to deal with her husband's unrealistic expectations of her. And it sounds like AA would probably help, too.

Proud_Ad_8830 − I feel awful for these kids

MNConcerto − NTA. Start calling CPS if shes drinking that much between pregnancies there is no way in hell she's not drinking that much while pregnant.

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If shes breastfeeding and drinking that much her child is drinking alcohol. Good God, those poor kids.

azsue123 − NTA. My mother had high functioning borderline. I don't wish that life on any child. Cps needs to get involved, this is going to end horribly.

[Reddit User] − Don't really have a judgement for you here. This sucks and it's hard to be "polite" when people bring you in to their mess/drama, especially when it...

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Just gonna point out that while Borderline Personality Disorder is currently classified as a *Personality* Disorder in the newest edition of the DSM,

there was initially a push to classify it as a trauma response (kind of similar to PTSD or C-PTSD). If the person who was supposed to care for a child...

that child's attempts at "serve and return" might have been met with abuse or nothing at all (serve and return is how children learn to interact, identify and regulate emotion,...

It is incredibly crucial to all sorts of developmental milestones). The excessive and innapropriate attempts for support from you,

and the rest of the family may be linked to BPD (constantly testing people in their lives to see if they'll show up and equating that with love, perhaps because...

Everyone is different even if their diagnosis is the same, but if you haven't already looked into learning about BPD, I've personally found it to be extremely useful in both...

and in setting boundaries that are good for MY wellbeing but also working WITH that person's diagnosis rather than against it.

Other people's boundaries can be incredibly difficult for a person with BPD and may feel like a r__ection or a challenge. .

I point this out because people with Substance Use Disorder (e. g. : a__oholism) and BPD usually have SIGNIFICANT trauma histories.

Trauma is not an excuse for anyone's behavior, but explanations obviously can help us to understand WTF is going on in someone's brain, to make them act that way.

Some people with BBP struggle to realize that their perspective is subjective. How they interpret what is happening is the ONLY valid interpretation, no matter how hard someone tries to...

Obviously this can be incredibly frustrating for people in their lives who don't want to play along, when they see other sides of the story.

And you're not a Saint or her professional support. You're allowed to be frustrated and not want to play along Thankfully, BPD has been shown to be effectively managed using...

Sounds like SIL needs professional help to address whatever it is that she is trying to suppress with alcohol.

Several commenters focus on Carol’s lack of desire for motherhood and the husband’s role in pressuring her.

[Reddit User] − TBH, I think you should get Carol alone, sit her down, and tell her to leave her husband and kids. She doesn't want this and she's BAD...

This can only end up with her abusing the children, if she isn't already. If her husband wanted that many kids that damn much, he can take care of them.

Carol HAS to know she's a bad mother. She HAS to know that this lifestyle is slowly k__ling her. Give her permission to get out. She probably feels trapped.

GraceDestroyerofTERF − How is nobody here talking about the fact that she doesn't actually want the kids at all. That her husband is the one who wants them.

Why are we focusing on the clearly mentally fucked person, that needs all the help she can get and not on her husband who is clearly a huge part of...

Good4dGander − NTA As someone with ADHD my b__lshit and sympathy tolerance is very very low. I can be empathetic as you've described feeling bad Carol not wanting to be...

but also like you, not feel bad she's been essentially aborting babies. But here's something to think about. It sounds like Carol has an addiction to attention. She'll do anything...

Agree with her husband on all the kids, the intimacy making kids, the attention while pregnant, the attention having miscarriages, births, having people rescue her drunk.

It's all a big cry for help. She's spinning totally out of control. I would drag Carol to an AA meeting and do an intervention. That woman needs therapy.

A few add insight into BPD and substance use while urging intervention.

carcinogin − As someone with managed BPD. Get her away from those kids she's going to f__k them up. She should NOT be having MORE children. BABIES/RELATIONSHIPS DO NOT FIX...

reflected_shadows − NTA. They are assholes for wanting 5 kids before R30 - and guess who’s paying for them, we all are.

This situation reveals deep frustration when compassion feels repeatedly exploited or misplaced. The woman’s refusal to engage in grief rituals stems from exhaustion with preventable choices and concern for the existing children—not cruelty. Most agree she isn’t obligated to perform sympathy for a pattern she sees as reckless, especially after failed attempts to help.

Have you ever struggled to feel sympathy in a situation where someone’s choices repeatedly led to pain? How do you balance honesty with family harmony when mental health and addiction are involved? What would you do if a loved one kept having children in an unstable environment?

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