WIBTA if I told my neighbor no?

A couple who recently moved into a new state expected their backyard to become their favorite place to unwind. With a fire pit, space for their dog, and warm weekend evenings, the plan was simple: relax outside, share a few drinks, and enjoy the quiet after long weeks of work.

But shortly after settling into their duplex, a pattern began to emerge with the neighbors next door. What started as friendly conversations over the fence slowly turned into repeated requests to stop certain backyard activities. Music was turned off, cigarettes were put out, and even the fire pit was extinguished earlier than planned. Over time, the couple began to wonder whether they were simply being considerate—or if they were giving up their own space too easily.

‘WIBTA if I told my neighbor no?’

The couple had just moved into a new duplex and were excited about their backyard space.

My wife (30f) and I (35m) just moved to a new state 2 months ago, and got a duplex near the city center in a decent neighborhood.

We were excited to finally have a decent size backyard with room for our dog (10m) to run around, a fire pit, garden, and a chicken coop.

Me and my wife consider ourselves to be very cordial and friendly neighbors, but we are not loud. We never yell if we happen to have a disagreement, and we...

Soon after settling in, they met the neighbors and noticed some uncomfortable dynamics.

We quickly met our neighbors, who I’ll call Barry and Emma(40~ mf) who have 2 young kids. We’ve since had friendly chats over the backyard fence, mostly with Barry.

However, on a regular basis, both me and my wife have heard Emma yelling at both Barry and the kids. We wouldn’t get involved because it’s not our business, but...

And the kids. They are LOUD. The younger one screams as part of their regular vocabulary, and the older one teases her regularly, enabling the constant screaming.

They often play outdoors while me and/or my wife happen to be in our backyard, and it is grating whether we are working on something or trying to relax. That...

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Things became more frustrating as the neighbors repeatedly asked them to stop using their backyard.

Since putting our backyard together and nice weather has finally come around, me and my wife have made it a weekly ritual to hang out in the backyard,

burn some wood in the fire pit, have a few beers and hang out, and maybe have some music going quietly. We usually do this on a Fri/Sat, and the...

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So far, Barry has come out to ask if we turn off music because the kids are trying to sleep around 10pm. I said fair enough, and turned off the...

Another time, my wife was on our porch smoking a cigarette, and Emma came outside and asked her to put it out because the smoke was going into her kids...

(2nd floor, window was left open) My wife apologized, put it out and went inside. This past Saturday, me, my wife and her friend were in our backyard, burning wood...

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At 9:45pm, Emma comes out and tells us to put the fire out; smoke is coming into the house, she can’t close the windows because it’s “too hot” and the...

I said no worries, put it out, and our night ended. Since then, both me and my wife have been frustrated with the situation.

We go out of our way to not be a disturbance just so we can enjoy spending time together, we LOVE our backyard. It feels like our backyard is held...

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I want to nip it in the bud while we’re relatively new neighbors. Next time we have our backyard hangouts and asked to stop, I’m going to plainly say “No,...

In this situation, both sides appear to be navigating competing needs. The couple wants to enjoy their backyard in a relaxed and reasonable way, while the neighboring family is concerned about noise and smoke affecting their children. Situations like this are common in dense residential areas where activities that seem minor to one household can affect another. The couple has already demonstrated a willingness to compromise by turning off music, putting out cigarettes, and extinguishing their fire pit when asked.

However, constant accommodation can lead to resentment if one side feels their own space is becoming restricted. In many communities, local regulations define acceptable noise levels and fire pit placement precisely because these situations arise frequently. Following those guidelines often becomes the clearest way to balance personal freedom with neighborhood consideration.

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From a broader perspective, healthy neighbor relationships usually depend on mutual adjustment rather than one household consistently yielding to the other. A calm conversation about expectations—such as agreed quiet hours or positioning a fire pit farther away—can sometimes prevent long-term tension. The key challenge here is determining where reasonable courtesy ends and where the right to use one’s own property begins.

Here’s how people reacted to the post:

Many users supported the couple and believed they had already been very accommodating.

LlamaJeanLlama − NTA you have a right to enjoy the peace and comfort of your home. Check the ordances and make sure you are ok to have a fire bit...

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Smoke sucks but it's not like you're the Avatar and can wind bend it into another direction. Just because they have children doesn't mean you have to stop existing.

They don't care about volume based on what you describe. There are other ways to be a good neighbor- bring in a bin, mow the front if it's shared. ..give...

put up a privacy fence, beautify shared spaces, fun treat bag for Halloween (if thats your thing) etc. I don't know you'll know their vibe.

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I take my neighbor's bins in and she gives me jam a win win. Good luck. Also on the low low, my nephew just suggested to start a popularity war.

Become friends with everyone. Gain so much aura (what does that mean? ) and do great things. Then they can complain to no one. IM LAUGHING AT HIM. This generation...

bakedandcooled − I'd say no, but no before I checked ordinances on all of the above.

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AshavaTrophyOwner − NTA, they can CLOSE their windows. They do not get to dictate your behavior on your property, especially when they have steps they can take to mitigate the...

Your fire pit is as mentioned 20+ feet from any structure. Emma is teaching her kids bad behaviors by yelling at her spouse and children,

which clearly they imitate as you mentioned screaming and yelling is the norm for one of the kids. The parents could emulate better behavior or police their children's behavior, they...

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So short of violating local ordinance, crank them tunes up, and let them fume as much as they want over smoke that they could avoid by shutting a window.

Loose_Opposite794 − NTA They can close the window and you have been really nice about it so far. Just make certain you are following all city ordinances in case things...

GothPenguin − There’s a difference between not rocking the boat/being considerate of others and being a doormat. Please do not allow them to make you and your wife a doormat....

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BustAMove_13 − NTA. It's your property and she's dictating what you can and cannot do. Nope. Tell her to close the window or put a fan in it blowing outward.

Next time, tell Emma that you are going to take this time to relax and you deserve it after listening to her hellhounds scream all day. I absolutely loathe when...

If you are following the noise ordinance and not burning a fire during a no burn period (check with your local FD) then I wouldn't worry about it.

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If you have a metal firepit, you could move it a little further away, bit otherwise tell Karin to stuff it.

Others encouraged caution and suggested checking local rules before refusing requests.

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pirtled − NTA. I hate smoke and am allergic to it. But that’s why I kept the windows shut and the AC on year round. They can’t police the air...

NYCStoryteller − YWBTA if you say no before you check for noise ordinances and rules relating to fire pits to make sure that you're within compliance with city regs/HOA bylaws.

Assuming that they're allowed, then: I would tell your neighbor point blank that you both deserve to be able to utilize your own yards and enjoy them,

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and that it's grating to you and your wife to listen to them fighting or their children screaming, but you recognize that part of duplex living is that you're in...

I would also tell them that we will not smoke cigarettes close to the house, but if they have decided to not get AC and go with windows being open...

then they're going to have to deal with music (turned off at 10pm per the noise requirements ) and the firepit, because the city ordinance/HOA bylaws say that they're allowed,...

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and you have just as much of a right to use your yard as they do. They can get a fan to redirect the smoke. Perhaps YOU could get a...

A few users added lighter remarks to ease the tension around the situation.

Elismom1313 − I do totally get the noise because unfortunately outside sound does carry like the a m__herfucker.

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Honestly I get the smoke too, it really does suck to have smoke and cigarette fumes come into your window. It does sound like their children’s windows face your backyard...

Unfortunately this is nuanced issue. When you own a house you’re kind of still subjected to tenants based on proximity. The difference is you don’t technically have to be one...

Does she have a window AC unit or denting causing her to have the window open? Is there a way for you to stick to the other side of the...

You bought a house with a backyard and you want to be able to use it. On the other hand they have kids and perhaps have issues with being able...

I would continue to try and be accommodating and at least smoke to the other side of the yard and keep the noise down but it is also kind what...

Longjumping-Box2208 − Both the AH. I tried to look at it from a "it's my property I should be able to do what I want" standpoint,

but if I had kids/a wife screaming every day on the other side of the wall or fence or smoke coming in my windows on a regular basis, I'd be...

Honestly, it's not even the fact that you live in the duplex either. I'm in a detached house. My neighbors across the street do that stuff and it's definitely still...

Living close to neighbors often requires patience and compromise, especially in duplex settings where sound and smoke easily travel between homes. In this case, the couple tried to accommodate multiple requests, yet they now feel their own space is becoming limited.

The situation raises an interesting question about shared living environments. At what point does being a considerate neighbor turn into giving up your own comfort? Should the couple continue adjusting their habits, or is it reasonable to set clearer boundaries for how they use their backyard?

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